Episode Ten: Trent Seven video transcript


Radzi: Hello and welcome to Making Gains in association with the University of Derby Finnebrogue’s Naked Bacon the biggest revolution to happen to British breakfast in a generation. Now I'm delighted to say our guest on today's episode is a WWE Wrestler. He is the former NXT Tag Team Champion aka one half of moustache mountain. He also comes from God's town Wolverhampton, Trent Seven welcomes to Making Gains sir. Mate if I said to you… If I said to anybody WWE and vegan a lot of people would not think that those two things go together but with you and actually a number of the boys and girls in NXTUK it does. When did that start for you?

Trent: The first person that kind of made me start thinking about it was another wrestler a lad called Zack Sabre Junior. He wrestles out for New Japan Pro Wrestling and he's lived out there for quite some time and it was probably about six or seven years ago now and he was the first person that I'd kind of found in within the wrestling world that was you know looking into this vegan diet. So we got talking and stuff and I probably asked him the same basic questions that everyone else asks, how do you get your protein? All that kind of stuff and he kind of gave me a little bit of a run through and I was like oh that’s interesting because he's in great shape you know incredibly fit incredibly healthy. He's always been incredibly supple as well that's not necessarily part of the diet or anything but he was always incredibly lean, incredibly incredibly agile, always in great condition. So you know you're gonna tend to listen to those people and take what they say not just with a pinch of salt. So I looked into it a little bit more and then Pete Dunne he started looking into it a little bit more and he tried it out for like I think he did a month then Tyler started doing it and then after about two months of them two doing it I made the change as well I think it was late 2015 I think. No late 2016 sorry. So the end of 2016 when all three of us then became fully plant-based so yeah and to be fair it was a tough transition I can't lie because there wasn't a great amount of choice or variation and especially when traveling, especially on the road. Service stations weren’t exactly a mecca for mock lead or you know oyster mushroom based burgers and things like that. But now it's a free-for-all you know everywhere you go has got really good quality, high quality fresh ingredients and they've got great vegan options, really good plant-based menus. Especially you know obviously through the lockdown thing like Deliveroo and Uber Eats all those kind of things have given fantastic range to the vegans and the veggies so it's not as bad as it used to be but you know seeing all these places and seeing all these major chains getting on board and offering different options as well it's definitely very positive so only holds good for the future.

Radzi: Well I put myself in the meat reducing category so I definitely enjoy meat but I'm aware that ultimately the planet can't continue the way it's going. So how can I do that? I'll start reducing and one of the first places I went to was Finnebrogue’s so sponsor of the show. Finnebrogue’s they do naked bacon, naked sausages and I'll be honest I was so skeptical when I first tried them. I thought I know what bacon should smell and especially taste like.

Trent: Yeah Yeah.

Radzi: They’re really good. They’re rea…

Trent: Some of it’s good.

Radzi: It is! And when I tried it I thought…

Trent: Some of it though let's not lie some of it is really bad.

Radzi: Okay see I'm not experienced. Is some of it bad?

Trent: Yeah. Yeah some of it's dreadful but you know, it’s a process of elimination you know. You've got to kind of throw some meat at the wall, some mock meat at the wall until something sticks but yeah there’s some incredible stuff out there but sorry as you were saying.

Radzi: Well no, it's just the fact that for me when I was trying all these things I thought you know what I could actually replace a lot of the stuff that I do like for stuff that I clearly also do like but for me the big one weirdly when I thought about it was the dairy. It's the chocolate, I love chocolate and then you start looking at so many things and go but that's not vegan that’s… I know there's a difference between plant-based and vegan but I'm looking at it and going ah okay there's a lot of stuff in a lot of stuff and a lot of that stuff I happen to really like so mate I salute you.

Trent: The one thing that I found the craziest when we started looking into it was it's pretty easy to spot when there's a meat in something because there's meat in it.

Radzi: Right.

Trent: But the amount of random things that you'd never have thought have milk or whey you know things like that so weird. Doritos! Doritos have milk in, I'm like why are you putting milk on crisps? But there's just crazy things and I mean obviously it's things like cheese flavoured things you know there’s no actual cheese per say on it you know it's just derivatives of whey powder or milk powder and stuff like but you know every so often you know there's always things that slip through the net you know I'll just be there and I'll be munching away thinking and then I go oh… and then you check it and then you just go oh no worries and just pass it on to someone else or go and buy something else but it's incredibly hard to to be 100 percent every time and you can't beat yourself up about it as well.

Radzi: Right okay.

Trent: You know there's going to be times when I go to someone's house and they'll offer me a cup of tea and without even thinking because every single time I go and have a cup of tea in my house or you know my close friends houses they'll make it for me with oat milk or something. So then sometimes I'll forget and I'm like oh that's good oh wait a second and it's just made with the most delicious blue top full fat whole milk you've ever tasted in your life but yeah. There's no denying that we all know it tastes delicious but you know, there’s so many sides to going plant-based or going vegan it's not just about taste or it's not just about animal welfare or anything like that. I think it's just you know it's about finding what works for you and if you can make those little changes like you said those little changes here and there along the way then it obviously helps out in whatever way it can so.

Radzi: Well mate my sister's vegan and she’s like us from Wolverhampton. If you go I'm from Clapham or Soho in London vegan is probably a word that you hear chucked about a lot in Wolverhampton less so, but even less than that is probably Wolverhampton and WWE wrestler so how did that happen for you?

Trent: So I mean as far as wrestling like it is one of those classic stories from the start I loved it from when I was a kid and this is maybe telling my age a little bit without you having to go on Wikipedia or anything but the first ever show that I saw was WrestleMania Five.

Radzi: Oh wow! Okay we’re talking old school.

Trent: Yeah.

Radzi: I love that!

Trent: Yeah so WrestleMania Five was the first one I ever saw and I was just blown away. It was just you know I'd watched boxing and I could remember boxing and stuff like that that. My dad would watch it on the telly and stuff but this was just like a cooler version of it for me. It was tassels and feather bowers and fireworks and pyrotechnics and guys coming down from the ceiling and coming out the floor and flames and fire and these women at ringside cheating and helping them out and dressed incredible you know. It was just the theatrics and everything like that that kind of dragged me in and I remember vividly WrestleMania fight I think Mr perfect versus Owen Hart. Owen Hart his character was the Blue Blazer and he came down from the sky I think maybe but he had this big blue feather bower thing on and I was like oh man that's cooler than getting punched in the face.

Radzi: You know here's the thing that winds me up though. It’s when you say I like wrestling you get one of two responses mainly either uh do you know it's fake? What was the last film you watched on Netflix? And they tell me and I’ll go do you know that isn’t actually real or you get I use to watch it and the I use to watch it’s are people that get it and I think you either get it or you just don't get it and when you do get it… I mean I remember my first wrestling memory was watching Taker versus Kane at Nick Reynold’s house in Compton Wolverhampton and I remember we only got it because I think his brother did well in school and so was giving a treat of being able to buy this paper. We didn't even know what pay-per-view was so we stayed up. I’ve never been so scared as when Kane came… I’ve never been that scared and it was like you say…

Trent: That must have been what? WrestleMania 14 ish? Something like that maybe?

Trent: 98? 97? Maybe something like that.

Radzi: I think that's exactly…

Trent: Probably around about the time mid 90s yeah yeah.

Radzi: Because I was year six or year seven… year six or year? I think I was year six and it was… I've just never been that scared and I remember I don't know what it is about that… I actually don't like scary films I don't know why I wanted to watch more of it but like you said it's the theatre, the telling of the story, the goody the baddie you don't know what's going to happen and then it gets close and it's oh no he hasn't but there's something so beautiful about that and that's why I’ve loved working for NTXUK. It's so raw, the British fans are so into it you think yes guys and then when it hits and you see you guys, in fact I have to say as far as the locker room goes I think you set a lot of the opinion for the rest of the guys. So if you go that was awesome everyone is in agreement that was special and it's awesome watching you guys watch somebody else in the ring and just go ha ha yes and it is something special to be part of.

Trent: Yeah the locker room is fantastic it really is. I feel like traditionally what would happen is you'd work your way up through the independence, you know you’d go to some training schools, you maybe catch a couple of seminars from like maybe a former WWE star would kind of like come and do a little bit of a tour of the UK and you’d trained up on those kind of seminars to learn as much as you can but you know the old ways that you go through the independence and you probably work on the camps and things like that you know you get a load of matches under your belt, you get in good enough shape and you get the chance then maybe just maybe when WWE are in town you'll get a try out. Now if you got to try out back in the day you were you know you were literally this close to joining the WWE but the WWE is a very very different beast at the moment you know there’s multiple brands. Back then was probably just raw and smackdown.

Radzi: Yeah.

Trent: It's only recently probably what? In the last 10 years? That we've had NXT or we've had a performance centre do you know what I mean? Things like that so and that has changed the landscape of wrestling you know. There's a lot more people that are coming through NXT and then moving on to roaring smackdown. The path for me is the thing that’s changed and that's what I feel quite proud about me you know. Now that there's a clear path you can kind of see it isn't just hopefully when WWE are in town we'll get a thing. It's the harder you work the more you get yourself out there the more you travel around the United Kingdom and Europe and if you can get to America brilliant. You know grind it down on the independence which is obviously all going to come back very soon you know fingers crossed you know you can get it in the next couple of months and it’ll just go back to that. You’ll see those people grinding and working three, four, five times a week doing the camps and things like that and
then there's that clear pathway now it’s NXTUK then it's NXT then maybe you go to raw then maybe you've got Smackdown. There’s that much clearer path and to be fair you know for the wrestling fans that watch this you'll have seen it at WrestleMania last week. The people that are winning the titles at WrestleMania in front of thousands and thousands of people with pyrotechnics going off, with the most incredible entrances live, famous bands playing their music, these are all people that have come through NXTUK and NXT so it's amazing to see that people are not just making that career path but they’re making that career path all the way to the absolute pinnacle. It's great for us it motivates us you know and the locker room is just absolutely buzzing now because people are doing it. People are showing you that this is the path you can take that path and you can become a millionaire from wrestling it's just crazy.

Radzi: And in a short space of time because Rhea Ripley.

Trent: Yeah.

Radzi: Is A a brilliant athlete…

Trent: Four years.

Radzi: You can see that but when NXTUK first started a couple of years ago she was somebody with aspirations sky high she worked her arse off. You could see the dedication there every single time. She was doing tapings, her body had changed she'd gotten herself bigger, she'd gotten herself stronger but two years from that to headlining WrestleMania I mean…

Trent: Unbelievable.

Radzi: Unbelievable and let's put that into context so you…

Trent: Oh yeah that's a good shout. What on earth could I possibly even compare that to? The closest thing I can think of is… If anyone knows the story of Ian Wright.

Radzi: Ohhh.

Trent: He was a Sunday league footballer right?

Radzi: Correct.

Trent: That’s pretty close. Sunday league footballer playing down Hackney Marsh or wherever it was and got spotted by a scout at Crystal Palace I think something like that.

Radzi: Palace yes.

Trent: Played for Palace, two seasons later he’s at Arsenal and it’s the only thing that can come close to that and I mean it is a one-in-a-million chance of of having that kind of career path to the premier league but that's the only thing I can even think that's close.

Radzi: And even I guess with that because Ian Wright I think he had to take a day off doing his shift work he was doing a manual labour job. He ran the risk of losing that job if he went for it and basically his colleague went this isn't even … this is a no-brainer you've got to. He's got a young kid at this point he's thinking what am I doing with my life. Obviously the dream's over he’s rolled the dice one more time like you say Palace then Arsenal and not only Arsenal one of the greatest Arsenal players of all time.

Trent: England.

Radzi: But…

Trent: World Cup.

Radzi: But…

Trent: He made it to a World Cup.

Radzi: And really should have played it more. Played for England way more in my eyes he was just an outstanding goal scorer. What a hit. Love Ian Wright.

Trent: Unbelievable player.

Radzi: But in terms of…

Trent: He played in what I would consider and I know we all have different opinions about the fairy tale toads of football because it's when you're growing up, it's when your hormones are through the roof, it's when you’re playing the most amount of sport you know you look at sport very differently but you know I look at football now with VAR and no fans and how much of a struggle it's been for the last kind of couple of years. You know you go back to those mid to late 90s. Theres some real footballers, some real football being played then you know as much as this sounds like a corny thing to say you know it was a man’s game. There was Roy Keane and Alfinger Haaland and Martin Keown and Alan Shearer they hacked lumps out of each other on a weekly basis.

Radzi: And you knew that was going to happen.

Trent: It was tough then.

Radzi: But where there's parallel between Ian and actually yourself you mentioned Ian is that he's gone from before Arsenal is Palace before Palace is a manual labor job. So before becoming NXT Tag Team Champs, you are in NXTUK and before that you're on the road you're in Pontins.

Trent: Just independent wrestler.

Radzi: Right but before that mate…

Trent: Independent wrestler yeah.

Radzi: You’re a Salesman, a door-to-door Salesman or probably at the same time.

Trent: Yeah I had a little door-to-door sales team in Wolverhampton. Well I travelled around for about three or four years doing it and Wolverhampton. Our office was just in Queen’s Square just above the man on the hall.

Radzi: Who’s Prince Albert by the way. If you're in Wolverhampton and you call him the man on the horse… he's prince Albert.

Trent: I’ll see you at the Moth at 12. Five band in your pocket get a McDonald’s and a day saver. Oh those were the days! But yeah so the office was above the man on the horse smack bang in the middle of town and we were changing people's gas and electricity suppliers for like cheaper deals and stuff. Oh it was the wild wild west it was just wonderful and yeah and then I moved to Leicester and did some work there then I moved to Luton did some work there and I moved into Central London for about a year which was great and then moved all the way back home. Did it for a little bit again then went into like nightclubs and restaurants and bars and stuff like that setting that up. Setting like restaurants and bars and stuff up and I’d say the most famous one of that is Steve Bull.

Radzi: Yeah wolves legend.

Trent: Obviously the man with the key to the city. The legend himself Steve Bull he opened a little Italian restaurant in Technal I don’t know if you remember that?

Radzi: Yeah.

Trent: It's called Ravacio’s. I actually opened that it was very good, it was a good little stint so yeah and I've had a lot of fun you know I've done a lot of jobs and you know. I’ll always look back on it very fondly and then my mates had a tele sales company and I was like right I want to get into that. So I said any chance of a job and he was like yeah yeah of course you can so I jumped in there. We built the company it was doing really well I think. We're doing PPI and claims and things like that and it was really good great fun. We were in central Birmingham and then you know the market fell out of it a little bit so then that was it that kind of dwindled off and it was like right time to concentrate on wrestling try, time to concentrate on you know trying to live an actual dream and I think it was July 2016 was the last day that I worked at the call centre.. Sorry no June and then July I think I made about 440 pounds in a month as an independent wrestler.

Radzi: Not a lot. Not a lot then.

Trent: And then December I signed my first WWE contract. Crazy. Absolutely crazy.

Radzi: If we go in terms of what it takes to do what you do because there's a reason why that happened for you. It isn't just the role of the dice it is yeah I mean anyone who hasn't seen you wrestle so British strong style so you Pete Dunne, Tyler Bay. It is brutal and to be clear do the guys know the outcomes? Yes they do, sometimes they’re called in the ring, sometimes they’re called beforehand but I'll tell you what, seeing you guys walk back through the curtain afterwards… You have been through warfare and I remember your hip one time was really bad this was on NXTUK. Mate you were limp… visibly limping when you walked and I went mate are you alright? And you went it’s just what we do mate and when you said that I thought that is just yes it's just yeah that is what we do.

Trent: I sound like such a veteran of the game. Don't worry about me kid, it’s just now we deal with it.

Radzi: But I know I wouldn't last two minutes in there because I love the gym I love lifting but I can't bear weight. I can't even if somebody just jumps on my back with perfect symmetry even then something's going to go rip. Whereas what is it about your body, your training, what is it that makes a great wrestler and makes you able to do what you do?

Trent: I'll be honest I think it has parallels to almost everything. It’s just such a strange thing to want to do so like as kids we pick up a football and we go and play football yeah you know. If you get the chance you pick up a golf club and you're going to swing a golf club or you pick up a cricket bat and you start playing cricket or you pick up your friend and you throw him on the ground and he gets back up again and says yeah let's do that again. It's tough to equate it to any normal kind of sport but I think it's just that you know. It is a form of entertainment, it is this crazy athleticism, this crazy hard knock way of… You're basically just stuntmen, that’s a good way to look at it. I don't think any kid in the world grows up going… you know what I don't think that Jason Slogan actually did that out of that plane so I'm gonna be that guy. You know it's very strange but I think the glitz and the glamour of pro wrestling makes it oh there's got to be a reason why they're doing this do you know what I mean? There's got to be a reason why they're putting themselves through this, it can't hurt that much can it? Does it? And then once you've got to your first couple of training sessions… Wow you can't walk for two three days. Some grizzled old veteran has just beaten you up but you get the experience of what it actually feels like you know. It's the same as whether you you're running drills at like youth rugby or youth football it's no walk in the park you know everyone's got to have their own kind of determination, their own kind of skill and kind of want to achieve and I just think it's that you I think as kids you just latch onto things don't you, do you know what I mean? Whether your parents play or your parents do it or not or you know if you grow up in a house and your dad's got fast cars or he's always doing up a car as a mechanic you're gonna have that natural want to find out what's going on there and I think that was just what happened to me I just watched this wrestling on the telly… There was an old lady that used to live next door to us I can't remember her name now but I mean she was absolutely donkey's years old, I’m sure she lived to about 100. Well she always used to have the wrestling on the World of Sport on a Saturday and Sunday and I always used to go around and watch that and I remember watching that going oh this is pretty cool and it just hooks you and it just hooked me and I never thought… I'll be honest I never thought you know between say the ages of 20 and 30 that I'd ever be a professional wrestler of this level you know I always knew I'd like wrestling forever. I always knew I'd probably do it semi-professionally you know like independently but you know you have to have a job to have a job in the meantime anyway to even want to pursue that career or there just wasn't enough money in it, and there really wasn't enough money until probably but probably until we kind of broke through to WWE and we kind of made that merger between WWE and the independents right okay and you know that was where things really started to click, That's where things really started to change people were making really high quality merchandise they were selling at the shows and that was supplementing their income, then people were traveling that little bit further because of the internet and Instagram and twitter was making people a lot more popular a lot more quicker.

Radzi: The ICW dock on BBC did really well because somebody's seen.

Trent: That right yeah that was a that was an incredible yeah credible documentary that did that did wonders for British wrestling that did.

Radzi: Are you an actual is it did you used to scrap when you were younger is it is that how you kind of made it?

Trent: Not never had a fight in my life never had a fight in my life I would happily run as fast as I can away from any kind of real conflict.

Radzi: That surprises me.

Trent: I needed unless I needed to stand in fights but you know that that typical kind of like you know budging into someone in town kind of ah, I’m just too old for it, I’ve never been into it you know, I’ve seen some of you know cinematic get you know what get whacked in time with the kids and stuff like that and it's just it's never for any kind of reason you know what I mean it's always just you know people pissed up or whatever just scrapping for the for the sake of scrapping and it's just something, I’ve always been more of a talker you know I’m a lover not a fighter I’m not trying to have a chat to someone.

Radzi: On the indie scene where you could be facing anyone you could be facing somebody who's trying to make a name for himself, trying to who knows when you've got in the wrestling industry you call it working stiff somebody who's when he's throwing shots, he's really laying them in what do you do if you've got a geezer in front of you who's working super stiff you don't really know him or maybe he's even got a reputation for working stuff do you try and match it so that he respects you or do you just accept it's just going to be one of those nights or what do you do.

Trent: I mean so it is a tough one because sometimes you're just going to get those people that are just a little bit bigger and a little bit stronger right you know so what one man's 50 is very different to another one's 50 right you know. I mean it's the same as weightlifting you know two people can both go into weightlifting with the same kind of venom and the same kind of wanted to lift but one person's going to lift a lot more than the other guy if he's stronger so it's kind of a similar light attached to wrestling some people are just going to be a little bit more bullish and a little bit more powerful and some of the a little bit smoother a little bit sleek and they might try and take you down and work you down you know but then some of the gizmo just bam just plays through you um but you know the goal of wrestling is to is to is to create um is to create a moment where the fans completely disassociate themselves with the with normal life and just invest yeah and you know sometimes it comes from comedy sometimes it comes from some a form of comedy or using something funny in a wrestling match or in a wrestling move that will hook that person in sometimes it comes from something a little bit more bad you know something a little bit more impactful, sometimes it comes from just pure technique and skill but I remember that the first thing you know that always comes into my head the first thing that would make me watch a wrestling match is obviously these guys have come out in some wonderful attire some wonderful clothes or some mad colours but when that bell rings that's where you get the chance to really grab someone's attention you know and I feel like wrestling is wrestling went through that kind of door the it's duller patches simply because I don't think I just don't think the standard of professional wrestling was good enough you know I think whether I don't know why Reese I don't know what reason but there was obviously always great professional wrestlers out there but if the number of great professional wrestlers out there isn't big enough then all the fans aren't seeing that same quality of wrestling and I think that's what that that's what probably cost a lot of people maybe you know way more successful careers you know because those guys were probably grinding it out you know all the way through the you know the late 90s in the early 2000s on the independence when everyone was just watching wrestling on the telly and there's not you know there's probably way too many people or skinny kids thinking they're a jeff hardy rather than these actual incredibly talented professional wrestlers the incredible incredibly talented workers that were already working you know 200 shows and 200 300 shows a year right but they were trying to grind it out, but you know it is just the way it is you know that when the bell rings you have got to grab the attention of the fan as quick as you can sometimes it's going to be a smack. Sometimes it's going to be some more creative kind of parading around or sometimes it's going to be something a little bit funnier but that's what I always thought, so no matter whether it comes as a bullish hit or it comes as a little bit stiff you know over the course of that 10 15 20 minutes you know you the two people in that ring they're put the point there the point of even being there is it's not a selfish reason you know the only thing that's possibly selfish about it is you want those funds to be walking away saying that was the best match of the night those two guys went out there yeah the best man right all those two girls went out there and they had the best match of the night.

Radzi: So yeah, so you'd probably go remember I’m not sure what the event was I think it was it was a takeover I’m not sure what month it was but for NXTUK the triple h gave everyone backstage before they went out there mate I was there in a suit and I was ready to get in that ring when may when he told the story about it was jerry lee Lewis and about how it was um uh was it top that or beat that and then there was a yeah it was and again if anyone has a journey Lewis story from what I remember triple h is telling is that he should have gone on last in this particular festival day performance and there was somebody else who they decided to put on instead no I’m the guy who goes on last it's who I am Jeremy Lewis and no we've got somebody else anyway it kind of came to a head and then joe went you know what fine I’ve gone second last that's all right and he goes out there absolutely murders the place I think he set his piano on fire something absolutely mental leaves the stage looks whoever's about to come on next and says beat that and correct and that was when and so triple h really tells this story but the way that that man speaks that he's a pure alpha he commands every word he says you are hanging off he is such a cool guy and honestly I remember going I want to go out there like that is seminal moments like that were just a privilege.

Trent: Yeah absolutely like those are the kind of moments that that will stay with you forever whether you do ten takeovers or you manage to get on one or you might you know some people aren't even going to be able to take over but just being there for that kind of moment where the blood's boiling and like the pressure's building and everyone's just kind of a little bit nervous and then this legend of the game you know I get like when I look at those things like I look at how you know lucky and fortunate I am to have the career but to be able to see people that of that calibre you know it's like it's like it's like being in the old Trafford locker room at halftime with man united two-nil down in 1997. imagine being in that locker room man united two nil down at old Trafford or something like that and then Alex Ferguson comes in and shuts the door behind him thank you oh my god he must have literally breathed fire but that's what it feels like it's those you know when you when you're around those
people and those kind of motivators yeah you know they're just they change the way you think they change the way your brain works they change the way you physical that you physically feel different like your body starts to tingle and your hair's standing in and you know that you just can't buy that I mean if you could bottle it I’d be dark I’d be necking it every day.

Radzi: Good mate, right but okay, I’m going to ask a bit of a kind of a loaded question because so you're I guess of an age where you're loving what you're doing but you know that it's not going to be perhaps so in two years’ time will you be doing what you're doing I imagine yes in 22 years’ time the answer is I’d say definitely not so Tyler will be okay yeah tight unbelievable um so at some point you're going to have to hang up the boots but i feel like for you you're such a phenomenal talker and communicator that you could go down almost a similar route to myself of presenting.

Trent: Um yeah, I mean that is 100 the way I would like to and the way I will be positively kind of pushing my career to go and it's not necessarily I don't necessarily have like a deep love for uh commentating or unnecessarily interviewing or anything like that it's just more the presenting side of it as in not even not I mean arguably not just specifically me being a presenter but the presentation of professional wrestling of NXTUK of wrestling to in within popular culture you know what I mean I don't because there's always there's always you know like you said at the start you know when you ask people about wrestling they go oh spoke or what big daddy hey yes they said like big daddy or like you know a slightly younger generation of girl oh look more Cogan and all that and that's when I hear that I’d go, I can get I can get to you I know that wrestling now can get to you know you know what Hulk Hogan is the bush workers you know big boss man all that ginormous the warrior like and all that kind of stuff I know I can get to those people because the same thing enticed them to watch it has enticed me, and that's what I need to make sure for me personally, and this is just me kind of sending out my like mission statement or whatever it is for my life in wrestling is to constantly never forget that that's the reason why we do this is goody versus baddie it's the reason why you go and watch a film at the cinema, it's the reason why you go and watch a play, it's the reason why people go and watch opera and theatre it's because it's good versus evil it's a protagonist it's an antagonist it's it it's magical it's a magical storytelling and you know UFC manages to just do it itself so organically you know that like um sorry what's the guy's name he just retired um yeah his dad passed away just before his last fight um oh is he rush is he Russian is he rushing no um what's his name the light heavyweight oh god I can't think of his name if you carry on google as well anyway I’ll do a recall yeah so even things like UFC like it just organically has stories that naturally come out of it where we've now got the chance you know in professional wrestling we are we are just like we are Hollywood we're the Hollywood of sports entertainment you know we've got this platform of being i mean dude that's it the story of Khabib like with his dad you know passing away and getting to that number of certain number of fights that he said he would retire at and it was the one before it and I’m just like this you could we couldn't write that you know the professional wrestling world is going to struggle to write a story that good but that's always been my goal is to is to continue to empower professional wrestling and fans to watch wrestling because this is where you'll see the larger-than-life characters this is where you'll see the normal looking guys doing abnormal things you know you'll see the mick foley's falling off cages you'll see the dusty roads you'll see the Kevin Owens but you'll see the Rey mysteries the Daniel Bryans, all these legendary people these legendary performers that can go out there and tell a story that can overcome adversity or can be the person that puts you know that that good guy under so much threat you know, who can be the villain you know and that for me is truly what professional wrestling is it's good versus evil and it's how long is it going to take for it to be to be overturned and how long are we going to take to see that to see that underdogs victory, you know and that that's wrestling for me and whether it's done by presenting it as me being the face of it whether it's done as me in the back you know kind of into more of the training side of things or the production side of things but that that for me is everything you know the presentation of wrestling and how people perceive professional wrestling.

Radzi: BT sport it's live you hear the titles roll it's the bump and the titles are going and all of a sudden envision is your face you're speaking to the camera live about something that you couldn't care anymore about do you get that same buzz to get that feeling.

Trent: The dream honestly mate apart from if physically professionally wrestling was not an option i that would be my dream job the thing we're doing now with BT sport it's called running um and it's like a monthly kind of preview thing for them for whatever pay-per-view is coming up and obviously it's been wrestle mania season so she's super-duper busy that for me is what a dream job being able to go out there and advertise and lure people in and make people make people make the choice you know there's so much stuff you could be doing with your time the world is so filled with options right now especially online there's so much content to consume but being able to entice those people in with you know with by physically fighting in the ring is magical you know and I’m not you know I wasn't on this year's wrestle mania I hope I’m on next year's that would be fantastic, but you know getting to do these things like the running and enticing people and saying no you've got to watch this this must watch tv it must watch entertainment let alone must watch wrestling you know that's the oh I’m just incredibly passionate about it I really can't see me I hope yeah and I hope that people can understand it because yeah, our present presentation and presenting is definitely what I want to go into um and you know I’m getting the chance to kind of cut my teeth a little bit as uh as far as like BT sport and the running goes so hopefully you'll see a lot more of me on your screens maybe it's well deserved and just my pants.

Radzi: And we'll we will miss those when they're gone but final questions and just generic one’s favourite wrestler of all time.

Trent: Oh Rock.

Radzi: Greatest wrestler of all time.

Trent: The Rock.

Radzi: Best finisher of all time.

Trent: Oh man best finisher of all time well that would obviously have to be the Birmingham no uh what's the best finisher of all time I think it's got to be the stone-cold stunner got to be right okay hit it from anywhere boom.

Radzi: Best entrance music.

Trent: That's tough there's a lot to be said for when hulk Hogan was in the NWO and he came out to voodoo child by Jimi Hendrix that was a pretty cool tune to come out to I don't know how they pulled the strings but it happened um as far as best music ever oh man there's just so many time to play the game triple h that one that was pretty amazing but when the glass smashed with a stone called Steve often there are many legendary music.

Radzi: What's amazing is if I said to you what song is this and if I played you the first three seconds you go don't know there aren't that many songs that within the first second and a half you go I know what it is and when you have car crash mick foley glass smash stone cold yeah the rock every you just ah and I was at mania working for blue peter when um when the Harley boys returned and just here.

Trent: We were there yeah; we did that thing at access i remember that was the first time I ever met you.

Radzi: Right and we're getting it.

Trent: We did and that has got me into merely a Victorian fort.

Radzi: But yeah, it is special and final question then if you're at mania you're on first who you up against dream match.
Trent: Tyler, oh okay yeah oh Tyler intercontinental title versus world title winner takes all WrestleMania six minutes that wouldn't be first on would you let's be honest championship okay during match yeah it doesn't matter what the facts are it'd just be against Tyler I think.

Radzi: And then the final question could you mention Tyler best tag team ever apart from yourselves.

Trent: My heart instantly wanted to say the British bulldogs then because they're just so influential on you as British lads, but I think I’ll be lying if I didn't, if I said it wasn't the hardy boys okay it's it just hardy boys.

Radzi: I will finish by saying that Jim cooper while we were in year eight did a Swanton bomb off our cricket pavilion onto bob finch who was on a wheelie bin and everyone was firing everyone was fine, how I remember mi cooper going swag starting the motion of he's now in the air he's now going backwards and I remember everything about 100 of us, we went huh and it was silence until he and I remember seeing that looking at bob time's look at bob finch bob you can see the whites of his eyes because he certainly I didn't agree to this I thought it was a wind-up I didn't look at my mate of then look back up he landed it the wheelie being totally folded everyone was fine it's and that that's what they're looking for.

Trent: I remember we when we were at school we I used to go to set Edmonds yeah and when we were at school in the summer we would just everyone would just pile their bags into a square and that would just become like the wrestling ring and we would run and jump off the off the I mean it's probably only about a four foot hill, we would jump off there and I’m sure I’m probably going to get myself into trouble here but there's a bloke just like you at some point at the same time that wasn't you but there was somebody else that you saw I don't think it was me but I think I’ve convinced myself of that because I didn't want the blame, but there's this lag called Michael brown in our year and uh he someone Tim stone didn't might have been me uh someone's who stoned him and it broke his collarbone and oh my god we were in so much trouble oh my god it was so bad but like it was it was just the best it was just it was just it took us over it took.

Radzi: Tom Redfern’s brother who was two years below tried to rugby tackle a guy who looked and sounded just like me and the bloke who looked and sounded just like me couldn't believe that when he tried to rugby tackle him, his head wasn't to either side of his hips it was in between his legs and I thought I’ve got two I’ve got two options here I can so the eye the bloke who just like me could pedigree him or he could try and get a last ride out of it and somehow again just the stars aligned the bloke look just like me put his hands underneath this lad's hips whipped him finds himself with both legs here he's not quite on the shoulders but it was enough that the bloke would look just like me then puts his hand on the torso tom Redfern’s brother slams him into the ground he was winded that bloke thought he's dead he thought he was going to jail just like me and after right 10 seconds you just heard oh and then it was oh everything everyone's fine again everyone's fine that is what wrestling can do to you but don't try anything at home unless you are professional.

Trent: Yeah, that is adrenaline believe me adrenaline will get you through many things and including power bombs on the floor yeah, we have been to the scrapes.

Radzi: Before we both get ourselves into trouble by revealing all our wrestling amateur wrestling past, I’ll say it's been an absolute pleasure dude well I quit we'll have to do it again it's been so much fun yeah definitely and just finally when are we going to see you next potentially on NXTUK and when is it on you.

Trent: You can see us on NXTUK it's on the WWE network on Wednesday nights and it's on BT sport on Thursday nights so either way tune yourself in get yourself a big large portion of British strong style every Wednesday and Thursday with me, yourself, you're not there what am I talking about.

Radzi: Very sad.

Trent: Tune in on a Wednesday or a Thursday the network's on a Wednesday BT sports on a Thursday for a big solid portion of British strong style via moustache mountain with me Trent Seven and the big strong boy Tyler Bate. He's not here but he's here in spirit.

Radzi: Trent it's been a pleasure day take care.

Trent: Thank you so much been good.

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