Episode One: Mark Henry video transcript

(Radzi in a screen on the top left in a studio talking into a red microphone. Mark Henry is on a screen on the right sat at home facing the camera)

I am back. Welcome to the very first episode of making gains in association with the University of Derby and Finnebrogues naked bacon the biggest revolution to happen to British breakfast in a generation. Now this podcast series is all about one thing people on that there the pursuit of excellence and our very first guest is a man who personifies that and then some. He's one of the strongest human beings to ever have walked planet earth he is a three-times world champion in three different strength sports. He is the WWE hall of fame, the former WWE heavyweight champion of the world Mark Henry.
Radzi: Welcome to making games, Sir.

Mark: What's going on man? good to be on the show

Radzi: It's really really good to talk to you and Mark can we go right the way back here because some of your numbers are just mythical and first of all your size. Is it true that in fourth grade at 10 years old you were 225 pounds?

Mark: I was indeed and um there was not many people that were my size almost only the teachers.

Radzi: What's life like when you're when you're that big that young?

Mark: You know what uh I was always told hey you got to be careful you got to be more responsible than everybody else and um I kind of learned to kind of watch myself and and give other people graces because you know kids can be cruel and they used to pick on me but you know like there were people that also had my back so um you know I had to be one that not the lash out but just to learn how to communicate

Radzi: Right and how did you get into powerlifting because again the world's strongest teenager was your moniker and justifiably so how did that start?

Mark: You know what I watched the Olympics when I was really young and I saw Vasily Alekseyev who was the strongest guy I've ever seen and uh he's still one of my favourites um and I wanted to be like him. I mean the people threw roses at him and he bowed and he was very colourful and entertaining and I was like man I want to be just like that so I begged my mother for weights and she bought it she bought ways for us when when I was probably 11 or 12 and I just lifted almost every day.

Radzi: Because as a teenager you had the junior record world record for squat and total national records in all four categories, were you strong right from the off?

Mark: You know what I was kind of naturally strong and athletic but it was how much work that I did like I felt like uh I worked like I didn't have talent and there was no summers off, there was no time for me to stop so you know when you trained your whole life just to escape from the real world you tend to kind of do like a rocky movie. You know you go away and train you come back I never had the time where I stopped so it was my life was a constant rocket training montage.

Radzi: How did you feel before you actually got under the bar? So right at that moment there people of different approaches, what went through your brain at that point?

Mark: You know what I focused to block out any other thoughts other than the lift that I was gonna make and uh I was so confident that I was gonna make my attempt that you know I really had no stress. You know like um the uh the only time that I would have any kind of uh negative feelings is uh after a miss but I only missed twice in my entire career in competition. I hardly ever missed.

Radzi: And to be clear you have three lifts, each lift you have three attempts, you choose the weight and throughout your entire competitions two misses?

Mark: That's it.

Radzi: Wow and your transition to Olympic lifting, I was lucky enough to work at the Olympics in 2012 in weightlifting and most of the guys there are 30 years old plus some late 30s, sometimes early 40s, the Legend certainly, how on earth did you transition to Olympic lifting so quickly because within nine months you, it was just phenomenal?

Mark: You know what I'm I'm really really blessed. God gave me a special ability to be flexible uh to be explosive and to never have to worry about size. I had uh great size from the beginning so um the only thing I had to do was apply myself and to keep working and to try to get better than I was the day before and I did that to a point to where I was almost crazy like I trained every day and you know like now uh you know understanding the body more uh I know how to let my body rest, uh I train uh back and bars one day chest and tries another day legs another day, uh core and explosive movements and you break everything up, but when I was a kid man like I I did everything every day, and I was explaining to my son not long ago that um whenever I had to do a squat I had to do a good morning because my weights were on a bench press so I would have to get under the get under the bench pull good morning the weight up and then to do squats. So I did things that you don't want to do. I would train my kids not to do it but it made me exceptionally strong because I did every a full body movement every day like it never there was never a point where um I learned how to break up the list until I was older.

Radzi: And how long after you tried Olympic lifting for the first time did you qualify for Barcelona in 92?

Mark: It was 10 months all together but the the first meet that I went to was after three months and I went to the juniors nationals and I won but I barely won and if if it came down to somebody else missing and if they made that lift then I come in second right but I didn't ever want to feel like that again and I where there were times where I was unfocused uh then that that all went out the window. Uh I was super focused uh I had trouble doing front squats. My wrists were not very flexible when I first started and every day I would do um put heavy weight on the bar and push my wrist against the bar and sometimes I would pick it up off of the rack and I would just let it hang on my shoulders like just to bend my wrist to uh become more flexible to the point to where my my coach said hey we're not doing that today, like don't do that like it. I had I had to be reeled back because I wanted to be better than I was. Like I said the day before.

Radzi: And so you're 20 years old representing your country in a sport where frankly people have we'll call it assistance, you're going back to Barcelona as a young man, how was that actual experience representing the stars and stripes?

Mark: You know what I took a lot of pride in, I had uncles that were military, so um they always wore their military hats and military jackets and stuff and I got a chance to to kind of you know be like them. It felt like I was a soldier almost and um I really enjoyed that process but you you said something that was very insightful and I see where you're gonna go um that I had no assistance, like when there's two ways you could look at that. The first way is uh I came from never doing it and learning how to do it uh and then there's also that there were people that were taking drugs to be strong like I was and kind of even in the playing field by cheating and I competed against the cheaters and I called out the cheaters and the uh the International Federation uh for weightlifting they they used to tell me all the time not to do that because uh I was gonna get the sport kicked out of the Olympics. I think that if looking back at it now I should have kept doing it and got the sport kicked out of Olympics at least so they could have got it cleaned up and then maybe the sport could come back and be better than it was before but even now they they're kicking out all the people that are sticklers and that that that really don't want the drugs in the sport and it's very corrupt and um I don't even follow the sport anymore.

Radzi: Okay, you mentioned your uncles being an inspiration, can you tell us how big your uncle Chad was because he's again a mythical man?

Mark: Uh well it's it's it's it's like chu like dud but around six six, six seven uh closer to 500 pounds than 400 pounds and um a a very large man never had shoes he always wore moccasins like leather wrapped around his feet with string and um my grandmother's favourite cousin and she used to tell us all the time that it was it was very common for him to uh work a well and I don't know if you ever seen somebody work an old-school whale where uh they had to turn a hand crank like this to pull water from down in the earth to up and uh it usually took two people to do it, and he would do it by himself like
you know pretty easily, like it did it was no it was it was no big thing to him and uh they all thought that that was like one of the most unbelievable things but he worked in the woods cutting down trees and uh in east Texas he was famous like uh Paul Bunyan, you know some stories American uh mythical legends and um that's where I come from.

Radzi: Right and between going back to the Olympics between Barcelona 92 and Atlanta 96, you're also doing powerlifting as well as Olympic lifting but everything I've seen of you you it's always raw, in powerlifting did were you ever tempted to go down the benching shirts or singlets or anything like that?

Mark:No when I was um 18 uh I put on the equipment and it tore my skin and it hurt so bad I was like I don't I don't I don't want to do this and I put on like uh when I was the first time I put on a bench shirt uh I lifted like 40 pounds more than I could than I ever lifted before and I felt like it was cheating, you know it was just like uh like I can't do that like. I want to do it myself I don't want nothing to help me and the guy that made the shirt he came up to me and said that I can put he was beating his chest I can put 50 pounds on your bench like he helped me do it. I didn't want nobody's help, I wanted to do it myself and uh so I vowed kind of during that time that I would never use equipment and all I ever used was uh a belt and knee wraps.

Radzi: Yeah it's phenomenal. Only if you guys do that like Ray Williams for example, in the squat now you see guys like him but rare breeds, it's mostly equipped now you see in powerlifting.

Mark: Yeah and I love Ray and he reached out to me probably about three years ago four years ago and said that I was uh uh the guy that made him want to be a lifter and uh he was gonna lift the way that I lifted and he does and um like he's my favourite power lifter not just because he like me but because he does it wrong and I just respect that more.

Radzi: Yeah I hear that. In terms of Atlanta 96 how was that competing at a home Olympics, being a captain and by the way being I think 188 kilos which makes you still the heaviest ever Olympian. How was that?

MARK: Okay well I guess I can't really brag about how much I ate I just ate and and how hard I trained like I was I was burning off that fuel too so it wasn't like I was just a disgusting fat body uh during that time I had 15 body fat so it was I was heavily muscled at that time and and drug free like all these guys that um you know they they take the drugs that even the the to be 30 percent more man um I if they have been 30 less I would have been an Olympic champion.

Radzi: Right, yeah I hear that was it. How did you meet Charles Barkley and Karl Malone was that during Atlanta?

Mark: Yeah that was during that. No that was during Barcelona, that was during when they were the dream team and uh I recently had char I've recently had uh Karl Malone on my on my show on busted open and uh he's got a new uh cigar line and he saw me smoking a cigar on uh on social media and he was like man I want to send you a box of my cigars and um uh I still haven't sent him my address now that I'm my address so you can mail them. Thanks for reminding me.

Radzi: My pleasure tell Karl Malone to be the mailman literally. Also around that time could you tell the story about how you met Michael Jordan because somehow Michael Jordan one of the greatest sports people of all time decides that he's going to insult 96 Mark Henry?

Mark: Well you know what looking at it uh from his perspective uh which I'm blessed to be able to do because a lot of people can't see past their own nose um of course Michael was Michael Jordan you know you're the number one recognised athlete on the planet and he had a little arrogance to him I say a little being nice and and I'm at the Olympic village and I leave I leave the village and go to the hotel where the dream team was staying because I knew Charles Barkley and Karl Malone already and I'm hanging out with them, hanging out in the lobby and Michael comes down and he sees everybody he recognises except for me so you know rather than and and if it was me I'd been like hey man I don't know you my name's Mark and I'd introduce myself and his his way of doing that was who who are you and I just looked at that as being disrespectful and I've talked to people that have told me like you know what I don't I don't know if I've seen that as being disrespectful. I think it was a little rude it was a little forward but I the way that I took, I'm sensitive and and and I took it like who are you like why are you asking me who I am you know um and he was like no no I didn't mean it like that and he explained and we talked and he actually ended up apologising and he invited me to his birthday party. That was at the all-star game. I went I had a great time uh I shook his hand, I left and uh I never really thought about it but when I told that story on blab TV um it just took off all over the world and it's cool to go viral but you want to tell both sides of the story and I'm sure if you mentioned that to him he probably wouldn't even remember you know, he might but you know I doubt it you see.

Radzi: Say he might not remember I think he's going to remember a 400 pound saying who are you I think you might remember it Mark.

Mark: Yeah I think he would now that you said he was he was a little bit scared.

Radzi: Could you see it in his eyes?

Mark: Yeah he he backtracked pretty quick

Radzi: In terms of records as well you have still to this day the the current largest ever total for the five major lifts, so clean and jerk, snatch, squat, bench and deadlift, you still have that world record. What do you think it is about you that makes you so prolific in all the lifts?

Mark: You know what I think that I was complete like every lifter is not complete and where I was weak you know I with my, this craziness of not wanting to fail. Um I just got in the gym and with my coaches because my coaches had a lot to do with it I wanted them to break down my technique so that I can be more efficient and then all I had to do was apply the energy and and the consistency and the training and um not cheat myself and a lot of people. When I say cheat myself you go in the gym and you say you know what I'm gonna do a hundred reps of squats and I'm gonna do 50 reps of lunges and then they get in there and they get around 80 reps and they go okay that's good enough. No if I say I'm do a hundred to a hundred and I never cheated myself. When I went in the gym like when I was younger I would be in the gym six seven hours a day, like it was my job and um I wasn't always lifting heavier those seven hours but I was doing everything that I could to make myself better.

Radzi: So I was speaking to some of the brains at the University of Derby that specialise in strength and conditioning and I was kind of telling them about you and they were talking about your power expression is basically off the charts and the obvious thing being, did you ever try to put that into any other sports because you'd have made a world-class linebacker or sumo wrestler or rugby player. Were you ever tempted to go any of those routes?

Mark: You know what I told my son last week that I wish that I gave sumo wrestling a try. I would have been, I look at sumo wrestling and it's tailor-made for me. It was that that's a sport I would have been so famous in Japan. Oh my God. I may not but see you know God, God push you on the path that you need to be on and the path that I that he put me on was you know the I was a childhood fan of pro wrestling and I got to live that dream. I didn't even know that that was possible for a little black kid from uh Silsbee, Texas which was a a really small place that you just like how did you leave there? How did you get out of that place? I there there was just no way that that should have happened but if I had got in the sumo then that would have never happened. So um I would have been doing something else really really far away from home but you know what I everything that I've done I have no regrets. The things that I have regrets about they have nothing to do with sports. Um you know I wish that I took better care of my money. I wish I wish I'd finished being a boy scout, I was a uh first class I was one classic classification away from being an eagle scout and I regret not ever doing that and um there were a couple of times that I went places where I wish I had taken pictures with certain people. I wish I'd took a picture with Mandela when I met him and I didn’t. Yeah man the first time I went with South Africa. It was when the apartheid was over and he had been released from prison and I was at this function that he spoke at and I had the opportunity to shake his hand in the hallway on the way to the cars and I didn't tell somebody hey come take a picture take you know I didn't get a picture. I was so kind of in awe of him that I didn't get that picture and I regret not getting that picture with Nelson Mandela. That's it, it's not many regrets that I have in my life. It's like three or four things.

Radzi: You know touching on the whole Mandela thing one of the the greatest men in my opinion to ever exist and a black man who came overcame so much being a black man an African American yourself doing it in powerlifting where they're very few, Olympic lifting where I can't think of any other than yourself, in WWE which when you arrived in again very few, what does that mean to you to represent that community of people?

Mak: You know what I take a lot of pride in everything I ever did and I can't um a lot of people say you might be the greatest American lifter or the greatest African-American lifter of all time. I would I would not say that I was in weightlifting, I think John Davis um who won the Olympics uh right after the war uh and 44. I think John Davis I would I would list him as the greatest uh US lifter. Also he was he was national and world champion so you can't negate John Davis you know if you said you did I'm the only one you know but John Davis won the world championship so he's he's the number one in my book. I take a lot of pride in what I did in wrestling because people like Ernie Ladd and Junkyard Dog and there's a list of probably about 20 African-American wrestlers that did it the right way, that did it uh respectfully and took no off nobody like if you were racist to them uh you got punched in the mouth and that was the um that was what I got from Ernie Ladd who you know came before me and he said look uh I need you to not be an uncle Tom he's you know and I don't know if you understand what that term is uncle Tom. Yeah he's like don't be asellout and don't mess it up for everybody black after you and I thought it was a lot of pressure at first but as I got older I realised that I couldn't take no rubbish off nobody and the the luxury that the African-American wrestlers have today uh I think some of that is owed to not only me but to uh Ron Simmons who was the first black champion and uh Big Daddy uh Ritter or JYD, who you see on the poster behind me was one of her Favorites Ernie Ladd and Jim Mitchell who was the first African-American wrestler um to wrestle a white wrestler in uh on a consistent basis everybody say Bobo Brazil was the wrestler that broke the colour line but Jim Mitchell came before him and Jim Mitchell had a match against Gorgeous George in in the coliseum in Los Angeles and I just respect all the history of those guys and I just wanted to honour uh my people and I wanted to honour my family and I want to honour my country and uh if you if you have that in mind you can't do nothing but have success because a lot of people don't respect anything but money or power. And uh I respect those things too and then like some money I love it but uh I do have a level of respect and reverence for the people that came before me to open those doors.

Radzi: You know you mentioned Gorgeous George, funnily enough his style, the way he came to the ring was what inspired Muhammad Ali’s style. He's in that colour line that kind of emanates in so many areas because Ali, one of the all-time greats in sport but in humanity as well.

Mark: I heard I heard the open for the show you had Ali in your open and um obviously you're a big fan I was a big fan myself and uh I have some uh autograph, some handmade autographs uh I knew him and met him several times.

Radzi: Oh man

Mark: Yeah man like uh I was friends with his daughter Khalia and I got invited to a function and when I was with the WWE and she was there with him and I said is there any way that you can get your dad to autograph uh of uh of a photo for my wife's dad, and she said yeah just come over and talk to him and I was like oh my God I'm pretty good talk to Ali and I mean I it was like one of those geek out moments like as you know a young kid. I walked over there and talked to him and he was just the nicest you could be man like I don't know if I ever met somebody nicer and he signed that autographs for my wife's dad and um man I just you know I think about him uh at the Olympics and different things. Like he was one of those guys he wasn't a pro wrestler but he loved pro wrestling and he was very good friends with Andre the Giant and um he was the sole factor and uh him his relationship with Andre was what made him go to the first Wrestlemania.

Radzi: That's how that happened?

Mark: That's how it happened. It was like he was friends Andre and on Vince asked Andre he hey you think you can get Ali to come to Wrestlemania and he said I'll check and that's how it happened. Like I mean there's the the the balance of sports and what made people love pro wrestling is the storytelling. It's the um being able to put people in suspended belief and uh you're in an action movie but you're actually in it, like you can't you don't know where you in and it begins and that's what pro wrestling did and uh Ali realised that Gorgeous George was a great entertainer because he loved it and for him to love something you know like he loved boxing um meant that it it it really struck a chord in his heart so uh I love that, and and we had a uh several conversations you know I, philosophy you know about religion and um he you know my wife's dad asked me one time do you know God? or do you know Jesus and I said yes. Ali is the only other person that I think in my sports career that asked me uh do you believe in God and I was like yes and um but it's funny that both of those guys were both boxers. So, you know, it's like um you know it's I've had an interest in life man and the people that I've met and um one of these days I'm gonna have to write my memoirs and talk about all the people that I've met.

Radzi: It would be a travesty if you didn't, because I mean Ali and Nelson Mandela alone that is - thank you so much for sharing that.

Mark: You're very welcome.

Radzi: Talking about other people a person, certainly from a name standpoint Arnold Schwarzenegger, who you know because you competed in the first ever Arnold Classic, now am I right in thinking that you only took six weeks to train for that?

Mark: It was about six weeks, six - seven weeks, and uh I was already lifting, I had - my mother had recently passed away and I was in the hospital with her for about a month, and every day I was going to train and come back to the hospital and I go train, I go back to the hospital and I was starting to get strong, so I guess you almost could say two months or three months, but I only spent about seven weeks working on the actual Arnold events.

Radzi: And so that was what is considered now, the Arnold Classic, to be in some people's opinion, the purists, the strongman event to win because it's known for being the heaviest. Yeah you won the very first one, there was Sven Carlson the 2001 world strongest man there, there was Raimonds Bergmanis, there were lots, it was Andy Bolton who had the world record for the deadlift at that time, didn't Vince McMahon give you a proposition that you couldn't really fail at that point?

Mark: He did, you know, he said there was no there was no place for the second strongest man and a lot of people may look at that as the ultimate pressure, but I knew that I was going to win like it was strength sports involved the only way that I lost is if something broke and I didn't finish and you know that's not the same thing as losing, that's just not being able to finish competing, but when I went there I had every intention of coming in first in every event, and I almost did, the only reason that I didn't come in first in every event is because after two events I was already so far ahead that I you know took the took my foot off the gas and just did enough to win.

Radzi: And as a result you win a Hummer, an actual Hummer is your prize!

Mark: Hey I drove it this morning, I drive it, I’m never gonna get rid of it.

Radzi: Well I know that is - what size engine is it?

Mark: You know what man, I can't even remember what size, but it's, I know it's a v8 four-wheel drive it drinks petrol like nothing, and I mean it swallows it, but i love it and I’m gonna drive it until the wheels fall off.

Radzi: I hear that! Were you ever tempted to go and compete in World's Strongest Man, because I mentioned Sven Carson who'd won World Strongest Man in the year before.

Mark: No, I never had time like, you know, during that time I was doing a full wrestling schedule and the least amount of days that I was on the road was 230 and I really hovered around 250 days a year so I was gone, I was away from home a lot.

Radzi: Is it hard to take the bumps, as a big guy do they hurt more than for somebody say my size?

Mark: Uh I think the bumps hurt equally the same, it's just that if you have more weight hitting the ground there are certain things you really shouldn't do, I landed on my butt a lot and thus I broke my tailbone - I broke my, I mean my well, I didn't break it but, I have a herniated disc in my lower vertebrae based off the fact that I kept doing those manoeuvres. My son says he has interest in wrestling when he's out of college, and you know kind of established into his life, and I told him that he's not gonna do all the stuff that I did because I don't want him to be beat up like I’m beat up.

Radzi: Who was the strongest person you ever performed perform within the ring?

Mark: Oh, Big Show - uh between Big Show, Brock Lesnar uh and probably right now Cesaro - Cesaro is small, but man he is double strong he is, exceptionally strong and he works, he works hard at it too,

Radzi: I think Cesaro from what I understand is functionally strong as well, so it's not just gym numbers, it's actually what he can do -when he, when you're carrying somebody else, catching somebody else.

Mark: You look at at leverage, he has very long arms with his strength which helps out, and big hands, strong grip and he works out in in the gym very hard so you know he's another one of those respected guys from me.

Radzi: When you're looking to scout potential, future talent, what is it you look for because you basically found Braun Strowman at a strongman show.

Mark: And it has nothing to do with athletic ability, people will say wow man they must have to be a really good athlete - nope, when you walk you've been in a room and you can hear everybody laughing, and then you go over and it's this one person that's got everybody laughing, that you know that girl that walks in a room and everybody goes who's that, like that are they a star, like you, it's there are certain people that have something that everybody else don't and those are the people that I go to and I ask them have you ever thought about pro wrestling and if they're establishing their careers then you know I’m like hey more power to you, but if you ever feel like you know wrestling is something that you would like to try, you'll be good at it, then give me a call. Bianca Bel Air was one of those, Braun Strowman was one of those, Baron Corbin was one of those, Apollo Crews and - who else is still with the company? Those are the ones that are stars, like major stars, but there's probably another 10 people that um that I’ve, I’ve looked at, that I’ve helped mentor. I think Daniel Bryan was one that was on the indies and I had to lie a little bit, I told everybody he was bigger than he was, but his talent was undeniable. I said you gotta see this guy, and I was captivated watching him wrestle, and you know thank God that that worked out because, you know, we got to see who see Daniel Bryan in terms of athleticism.

Radzi: Can you think of anyone that you've met that's more athletic, as a big man, as you are because when I first saw footage of you slam dunk a basketball at 180 kilograms I could not believe it you know.

Mark: If you go to the NFL you'll find a hundred guys that can do the athletic things I did, like dunk a Basketball, run a fast 40 uh, have a plus 32 inch vertical, move laterally and all of that stuff, but I don't think you'll find anyone that could do all of those things and be as strong as I am, I was um that was what God gave me and everybody has their super power – mine was strength, I can't say enough that my work ethic is, with what God gave me, is what made that happen.

Radzi: And you mentioned kind of being Superman, has Superman ever met Batman, or Spiderman, when he's gone okay this guy might just outdo me. Have you ever met that guy?

Mark: Oh man.

Radzi: Because Bill of no3 said, when asked who's the strongest man in the world right now, he said you and Bill Kazmaier is - I mean I love Bill Kazmaier.

Mark: You know what I felt that way in weightlifting when I met Shane Hammond, when I met Shane Hammond he was strong, but he was flexible, and explosive, and he broke my snatch record and I was like wow man that's really impressive, and he's as equally a nice guy as he is a great lifter. Rich Williams, you're in powerlifting you know you reference him, he couldn't deadlift what I deadlifted, so his total was lower than mine but man if you could have got that guy 850, 875 deadlift
then I would have said he was a better power lifter, but you know I don't know if there's ever been somebody that was tailor-made for powerlifting like me. I hope that in my lifetime I get to see somebody break my records, because I want to be able to shake the hand of the nearest best power lifter of all time.

Radzi: I hear that and final question Mark is I mentioned your five lifts, the largest total in the major five lifts if you go through the numbers, we have in terms of pounds, snatch: 397, clean and jerk: 485, squat: 954, bench: 858, deadlift: 904. How many of those numbers would have increased if you didn't go WWE and you dedicated yourself just to powerlifting, or to strongman, or to Olympic lifting?

Mark: Well all all of those lifts I did more than those later on, just not in a competition. I did an exhibition in Colorado Springs where I snatched 402, and I did a 520 clean and jerk or clean but I missed the jerk. Okay my bench was stayed about the same, I did a 915 deadlift that a lot of people saw, but it wasn't in competition

Radzi: Was that with straps?

Mark: No, no straps. So all of these guys that do the deadlift now, and they use straps, I - listen I respect the hustle but until people take the straps off, I can't give you the Mark Henry discount, I can't do it. You want the Mark Henry discount, you got to take the straps off I’d like to see somebody snatch or clean and impress the inch bell, I want to see somebody lift the Apollon wheels three times consecutively, when I see those things - then they get the discount.

Radzi: Mark it has been an absolute pleasure to talk to you for my very first episode of Making Gains podcast. Stay healthy, I hope your family are happy and well through coronavirus, and I look forward to speaking to you again very soon. Thank you Mark.

Mark: Awesome, young man - I love the fact, I love it when I see young people doing shows like this that are positive, that are classy, very intellectual. Keep up the good work, you're gonna be somebody that we see down the road.

Radzi: Thank you Mark, I really appreciate that

Mark: All right man.

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